The James Gunn Mess

Disney should rehire James Gun.

The online campaign that led to his firing was an orchestrated hit-job with purely political motivations. Gunn was a vocal liberal who used his voice and his standing to shout his opposition to the current administration and its defenders. This made him beloved by some and hated by others but it was politics and when attacked Conservative darling Ben Shapiro that was pebble that started the landslide. The Daily Caller then went and dug up old bad-taste humor from nearly a decade ago, jokes, posts, and tweets, that Gunn had address and apologized for years ago. After The Caller resurfaced these ‘issues’ it was picked up by two alt-right personalities, one of whom helped spread the insane ‘pizza-gate’ conspiracy, and they drummed up the alt-right into attack mode, scaring Disney, ever fearful of anything that might stain their ‘wholesome’ image, into firing Gunn.

This was not morality. This was not ‘standards of good taste.’ This was payback for standing against the administration and having a soapbox that allowed such standing to be seen by far too many people.

The Gunn Affair is no way analogous with what happened with Rosanne Barr. There are critical differences between the two cases. Rosanne’s offensive statements were not dug up from nearly a decade in the past but were reflections of her current mindset about what she deemed acceptable and what was not. Roseanne, already in the hot glare of the spotlight, riding a wave of intense publicity centered around her attitude and politics engaged in her inexcusable behavior and then when called out on her obnoxious attack on particular people instead of apologizing she attempted to hide her culpability behind prescription drugs. The most important difference between the two isn’t centered about when it happened, or the sufficiency of their apologies but rather is ground in this very simple fact; bad taste jokes about rape and bestiality are not rape and bestiality but racist jokes areracist. Rosanne Barr suffered the immediate effects of shouting vile, racist, personal attacks in the public sphere This is not at all what happened with James Gunn and his bad taste, (and frankly unfunny) jokes uttered many years ago.

I have heard the argument that really this is all because the ‘SJWs’ started this sort of public personal destruction. I guess, though it is not clear, that the intention of such a comment is to say that the true people are fault and who should shoulder the blame for this is are the ‘SJWs’ for unleashing this tactic. (Side note; I think anyone who utters ‘SJW’ as a pejorative is no better than those who toss about ‘teabagger’ in a similar fashion. It’s nothing but a cheap ad hominem.)

First off if that is your position I would think very carefully before deploying that line of reasoning. Applied to other social/political issues, laying the responsibility at the toolmakers versus the tool users leads guilty parties you would not want to be found culpable.

Second, I remember the 2003 invasion of Iraq and the conservative feeding frenzy against the country music group The Dixie Chicks. Fanning public outrage over a celebrity’s political beliefs is nothing new and not a tactic that can be ascribed as the fault of a single side in American politics. When a street criminal killed Peter Parker’s Uncle Ben Peter was not responsible, the gun manufacturer was not responsible, the street criminal bears all the blame. The conservative alt-right is responsible for this campaign against James Gunn and Disney is responsible for their cowardly caving.

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4 thoughts on “The James Gunn Mess

  1. Bob Evans Post author

    To paraphrase Hawkeye from The Avengers “You and I remember things very differently.” I cannot remember ever intending to give the impression that alt-Right always means Nazi or racist. How would I define the alt-right?
    The Alt-Right is a division of conservative political thought that is non-libertarian, suspicious or outright hostile to liberal democracy, that often venerates a mythological historical society or political system. Group within the alt-right hold a variety of beliefs including but not limited to Nazism, Fascism, Racism, and Monarchism. Some on the Alt-right even go so far as to believe that the enlightenment was a bad thing for western civilization.
    So tell me what’s the point of going down a definitional rabbit hole? There can be no objective definition of terms such as alt-right and if the persons who helped launch this campaign to fire Gunn don’t fit your definition of ‘alt-right’ what difference does that make?

  2. Brad

    “To your final point I called him ‘alt-right’ admittedly a very vague and nebulous category. I did not call him a racist, a Nazi, or a fascist. Those terms are not synonymous.”

    Oh really?

    That’s interesting. Because in person you told me that alt-right meant a nazi or a racist. Are you backtracking from that now?

    So I ask you again, what do you mean when you accuse someone of being alt-right? What is “alt-right”?

  3. Bob Evans Post author

    Funny how that never got mentioned.

    I don’t know why you think that’s funny. I never mentioned Dave Batista, Zoe Saladana, Sean Gunn, Bob Chipman, Lindsay Ellis, or even David French, people who have publicly come out against James Gunn’s dismisal. I didn’t mention them because it’s not the point of the essay.

    James Gunn thought it a great time to attack Shapiro over old Shapiro writing.

    https://www.thewrap.com/mark-duplass-deletes-tweet-praising-ben-shapiro-after-harassment-campaign/

    You know that article you linked to doesn’t mention James Gunn, or his comments about Ben Shapiro, but again I didn’t mention Duplass because it wasn’t the point of the essay.

    To your final point I called him ‘alt-right’ admittedly a very vague and nebulous category. I did not call him a racist, a Nazi, or a fascist. Those terms are not synonymous. But you you want someone who promotes the Pizza-gate conspiracy categorized as simply ‘conservative?’

  4. Brad

    You know who else thinks James Gunn should never have been fired by Disney? Ben Shapiro. Funny how that never got mentioned.

    https://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/the-wrap/article/Ben-Shapiro-Calls-Disney-s-Decision-to-Fire-13092352.php

    Funny that you never mentioned Mark Duplass either, as he is the real origin of how James Gunn fell into this mess. Mark Duplass was another Left-winger who fell victim to mobbing from his own side. And when Ben Shapiro was defending Mark Duplass, James Gunn thought it a great time to attack Shapiro over old Shapiro writing.

    https://www.thewrap.com/mark-duplass-deletes-tweet-praising-ben-shapiro-after-harassment-campaign/

    Funny how you accused Cernovich, the primary attacker of James Gunn, of being Alt-Right. Even a newspaper as Left Wing as the San Francisco Gate describes Cernovich as a “right wing provocateur” and not as a Nazi or White Supremacist, and for good reason too. What kind of White Supremacist has an asian wife and well loved mixed race child?

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